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Jon Davis
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 09:31 am:   

Does the first Suzuki book go really quickly? I've been playing for about... ten weeks and I'm about to move on to book two.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 12:38 pm:   

Actually, once you get to book 6, they go quicker. They don't seem to be as technique heavy.
My dd took 8 months on average up to book six and less for 6,7 now 8. She's been taking lessons for about 5 1/2 years now.
You're child is 6 and has a really good jump. Don't rush it. There's a lot to absorb here. My dd wasn't allowed to advance until her pieces were virtually memorized which seems a bit overkill at times, but the technique grows solid and steady.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 01:27 pm:   

G'day, Johann and all...

Your pace going thru the Suzuki Books will really vary depending on your background, both quality and quantity of practice, etc. Some will go thru certain parts of certain books more quickly than others and vice versa.

Anything faster than 1 book per year is probably quite good assuming you're following the general Suzuki approach, not just trying to blaze thru the books, and w/out years of other prior musical training. If you already have a pretty good musical background (or even just a good ear from years of music appreciation and some minimal music reading skills), that will probably help you move along faster. Everyone can be different since we all come from different backgrounds w/ different experiences, etc. wired into our makeup.

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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 05:45 pm:   

Cellopop...I think it was Kurt Sassmanhaus who said that he has his students memorize their lesson pieces (scales, etudes and pieces) from the very beginning because the student cannot focus on playing if they are distracted by reading the notes on the page. I think he is absolutely right on that point.

As an adult learner my teacher does not expect me to memorize what I'm working on but when I'm having trouble with a piece I will memorize the parts of the music so I can *focus* on the technique/bowing that is giving me problems.
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Posted on Saturday, July 04, 2009 - 09:37 am:   

Happy Fourth of July Johann!

Hope everyone is having nice weather and can get out and enjoy the festivities.

My youngest dd just started with a new violin teacher and she has been instructed to play her pieces from memory. I need to start making an effort to try to do the same with the etudes and Suzuki pieces I work on. I have scales down pat.
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Posted on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 08:05 pm:   

Dear folks,

its been a trying period, with a heavy office workload, and having to deal with a very bad leak in the kitchen at home...sigh...thank God i'm beginning to see some light at the end of the tunnel...

was particularly inspired yesterday, at the local community centre, to chance upon a middle aged man sitting at a corner bench, playing on his violin, oblivious to everything else that's going on around him...that's my ideal retirement plan...hehehe
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Posted on Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 10:39 pm:   

Good evening Johann, and all the rest of you. Haven't been on in a while. Lots going on in my life: got married, moving, typical southern California fire season busy-ness, and more. Wanted to check to see if this long running thread was still weaving.

Hope all are well and sawing away on their string instruments.

Good night Johann and good luck...
Michael

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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:17 pm:   

Good afternoon Johann,

Steven, that would be an ideal retirement situation. I hope your house is now dry. Nothing more frustrating than a leak in your house somewhere.

Michael, wow! Congratulation's on your new marriage. I hope married life is treating you well and wish you much happiness.

I'm getting back into a regular lesson schedule after the chaos of the kids summer sports. Looking forward to finishing Suzuki book 4.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 12:51 pm:   

Good mornig Johann, (I guess)

As many of you know, I'm a boater and fisherman.
Just using this thread to vent.
My boat sank and there is a possibility the insurance won't cover it.
What really stinks is, I've been itching to buy Laura one of those sub 6 lb. cello cases for skateyeight gazillion dollars and also getting a stirring for a massive upgrade, let alone searching for colleges with good music programs this year.
I know what I have to do, but I aint too happy about it.
This is one speedbump on the highway of life I don't need.
Oh well. Life is still good.
Hope your all well.
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Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 06:58 am:   

Hi Cellopop. I can feel your pain. That's too bad about your boat.

Maybe after you buy the case...you'll find a deal on a new boat for yourself. We wouldn't be parents if we didn't put our kids first...as hard as it is sometimes when we need to make a sacrifice for something we want.

You could always take up trout fishing...no boat required...just tall boots.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 09:28 am:   

Bummer, Curtis! And with peak striper season coming on! Johann and I extend our sympathies. Hang in there.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 02:23 pm:   

TK, no trout in this neck of the cement jungle.
Matt, good news....altough about the cost of a really nice cello, might be ready in a month.
I've decided to go for it. Laura doesn't want a new cello just yet and I can swing the case for Christmal.
I don't pull the boat till Dec.
I'll find that silver lining!!
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 03:10 pm:   

G'day (and weekend ahead), Johann and all...

Sorry to hear about the boat problem, Curtis. Guess stuff happen to boats much like they can happen to cars.

BTW, any of y'all been leaving your instruments in taxi cabs lately?

http://www.violinist.com/discussion/response.cfm?ID=16367

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 05:27 pm:   

Oh, that's horrible. Shock to read...can't imagine the shock of discovering it in person. I hope, at the least, that the insurance comes through...
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Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 07:43 am:   

anyone watched the movie UP ?

somehow it just resonates with me...it doesn't seem to be a child's cartoon, since there are several underlying stories behind it...especially the theme of things lost, and brokenness in many areas of life...and not everything goes according to what we want it to be...
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Posted on Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 05:34 am:   

Quiet around here lately, so Johann and I figured we'd just chime in to wish everyone a happy and musical Thanksgiving. I hope you're all enjoying a relaxing day with friends and family. Bleak, damp weather here on the Vineyard, but who cares? I'll be playing some recorder sonatas this morning and tucking into a very large bird later today.
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Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 01:51 pm:   

Good Morning Johann.

There trying to hijack our thread over at ICS.

Well, they are more than welcome to wish each other a good morning too, I guess.

I just tuned an awful little spinet piano circa 1947. A white priver painted plywood POS. I just hate having to tell a customer that's about as good as its gonna get.

Laura had a lesson with this man last week.
We're waiting for an email with an evaluation.
What a great teacher he is.

http://new.oberlin.edu/conservatory/faculty/faculty-detail.dot?id=20537

Well TTYL

Curtis
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Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 04:09 pm:   

Cool! Worth watching the whole video clip to hear his student hammer Shostakovich.

He sounds like a wonderful, sensitive, supportive teacher. Is Laura on her way to Oberlin?
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Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 12:43 am:   

Happy Holiday's, Johann!

I enjoyed the video too, Cellopop. Let us know how the evaluation went.

It's frigid cold here in the Midwest. We'll have a white Christmas due to 12" of snow already on the ground.

Foolishly went shopping today...what was I thinking? Saturday before Christmas; won't happen twice.
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 02:18 pm:   

Ok. Darret emailed us with his opinion which we value dearly.
As we suspected, Laura currently is not up to snuff for one of the top rated conservetories such as Oberlin and Julliard and he recommends applying to a really good liberal arts college or university that has a good music program. He has taught Laura's teacher at Julliard. She has her MM from there and as a matter of fact, he still gives her lessons. Her teacher wants to go to Boston U. for her Phd. She told Darrett that Laura is progressing rapidly and will more than likely get into a good program, maybe even Boston U. herself. Both said to not rule out a conservetory because a lot can change in a year and change, but there are many fine programs out there and sometimes that's the better way to go.
Fortunately for us, the northeast is chock full of great schools like Boston, Bard, NYU, the SUNY at Purchase and Stonybrook both have great programs, Ithaca, Skidmore, Longy, etc. etc.
So all in all, nobody's really disappointed here. It actually takes a little pressure off.

The experience of taking a lesson with this fine professor had Laura in awe and she could only benefit from it. Matter of fact, the good girl is upstairs sawing away at her cello right now. :-)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 02:20 pm:   

Oh yea,

Happy Holidays Johann and too all the rest of you fine folks.
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 07:43 am:   

Sounds all good about Laura, Curtis. She could do worse than B.U. -- great music program (full disclosure: did my grad work in English there) and of course Boston is full of opportunities to play and hear music. But it sounds like a lot of doors are open for here, and wherever she lands, my guess is it'll work out well. You must be mightily proud.
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Posted on Friday, December 25, 2009 - 01:14 am:   

Good Christmas Morning Johann; I am feeding the wood stove and populating an iPod. The cats are up with me.
Music is a foreign language
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Posted on Monday, January 04, 2010 - 03:03 pm:   

G'day, Johann and all - and Happy New Year!

Been a little while since I dropped by.

Curtis,

Laura's musical future still sounds very promising. And yeah, in the end, she may well be better off (overall) attending a good U/college that also offers a great music program instead of attending a dedicated music conservatory. Being a Julliard grad (or similar) probably doesn't guarantee much of anything other than the prestige (and the potential upside). She may well be happier (and more successful) in the long run getting a more well-rounded education at a good U/college instead.

As for us, we're still hacking away on the violin/viola over here -- and I still need to get back to more regular practicing, especially since I'm supposed to help out a little in the viola section for the kids' youth orchestra. All they have are ringers for viola this year although they have to be pretty desperate to use me as one.

Been on "vacation" at home for the past couple weeks, doing the usual Christmas/New Year's stuff, watching a lot of movies and old episodes of Lost -- never followed it on-the-air in the past, but decided to give it a try after picking up the first 5 seasons at a serious holiday shopping season discount.

Family's doing fine for the most part although age is quickly catching up w/ my in-laws lately.

Hope all is well w/ y'all entering this new year...

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Posted on Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 03:49 am:   

Good Morning Johann!

Stopping by to say a big hello to you all.

Sorry to hear about your Boat, Curtis.

It'll all come good in the end.

Still working through Suzuki Book Four.
Slowly, but properly.

Best,
Ian
"When I grow up, I want to be as smart as I thought I was."
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Posted on Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 03:53 am:   

...forgot to add...
'Kala has bought us tickets for the RNCM Students's performance of those pesky 24 Caprices. Can't wait...
"When I grow up, I want to be as smart as I thought I was."
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Posted on Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 11:55 pm:   

Good morning Johann

The forum is quieter these days but I do try to check in from time to time. I've gone back to college for a degree in music so don't have the time to be online as much as I used to. Still have to find time to practice as well.

I am approaching four years of lessons on the violin and it's amazing how it has changed my life and sparked a musical interest in my kids who probably would have never asked to learn a instrument had I not been practicing mine every day.

CelloPop, there are plenty of liberal arts colleges with excellent music departments. There is more out there than *just* Julliard. I don't mean to knock the prestigious conservatories but Laura needs to decide what is most important for her in terms of her goals in life and what education opportunities are going to help serve her best.

A degree in music performance from Julliard is indeed a humongous gold star but...how many Julliard graduates are able to find work as professional musicians? It's a catch-22 situation. It would be more prudent for a talented young person to double major in music AND something else they can find full-time employment in such as business, teaching, health care, law, etc. etc.

The up-side is, with her talent she should be able to get a scholarship to pay for most of her education should she decide to go to a smaller private college.

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Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 09:00 am:   

Good morning, johann.
And hi TK and the rest of the gang.
Oh, there was no big disappointment there. We and she didn't really want to attend a conservatory anyway. A good liberal arts college is the better way to go for her. Also, to update,
Laura has decided to not major in cello. She just doesn't want to put in the hours of practice required for an MM.
Instead, now she wants to major in Arts Management and minor in piano. She really has a lot more audition and college level repertoire under her belt on piano. Bottom line, and I hate to say it, she likes the piano better. I just wish she would have sprung this on us a little sooner instead of wasting time visiting colleges and having lessons with the cello faculty. By the way, Ithaca is a beautiful college.
I was disappointed at first, but its her life and this actually may be mature decision on her part. Lets face it. Good paying jobs for most MM's is stacked against the student. You develop all this talent and yet so has thousands of others. The competition is ferocious.
One of the colleagues at Laura's piano school has a Phd. in piano from Julliard and can't find any decent paying jobs. His degree is in performance, not education.
Since Cellomom works at Carnegie Hall and works with the senior staff, there would be no problems getting her internships at many of the finer venues in NY. Of course, she has to put in the footwork, but its still a leg up either way.
So, that's the news for now. Funny. She was 9 when I started posting on this forum!!
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Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 03:04 am:   

Great choice on your parts -- Ithaca great liberal arts reputation -- Much success to daughter. My teacher has MM from U of Illinois with 40+ students from his house. Strings and Piano. I feel so blessed to have this man available. Seems very content with that - I figure better off perhaps than a high school whose programs are always cut periodically with budget problems. A first area to go seems like. Sad.
Looking for JonD as to his progress. Like him, Book 2 in sight after 12 weeks. Had starting advantage because I could read music. Hopeful to be into #3 in fall and perhaps consider community volunteer orchestra by then. Maybe I'm pushing. 'Fake it, till I make it'. Adult, read music, one note per measure seems to be the only requirement. Boggles my mind. You'd never know it to see and hear this group.
Bowing technique and intonation fairly good if I'm to memorize the pieces. TK tells of this approach. My instructor subscribes to it on limited basis. Wish the progress was permanent. All disappears if I sight and play at the same time. Lofty aspiration is Rachmaninov's Vocalise. Love that piece of music.
Till then, practic, practice, practice.
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Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 06:52 am:   

Curtis, sounds like Cellodaughter has made a mature and level-headed decision. Good for you for giving her the opportunities and choices, then for supporting her decision. Johann would agree. It certainly isn't the end of her cello playing, but it sounds like she's plotting a course that will combine practicality and lots of future opportunities.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 - 11:36 am:   

Cellopop...thanks for the update on Laura. It's always fun to hear how everyone on the forum is doing and especially on everyone's children.

My cello playing daughter also feels that the cello is not her 'main' instrument. She prefers the oboe and probably because she plays in school band and our school does not have orchestra. So, she has cello lessons and she practices but there really is no 'reward' in it for her. From time to time she wants to quit the cello and I'm probably fighting an uphill battle. I am hoping to keep her playing for another year...but I think once she starts high school it will be over for the cello.

My hopes of a trio will be lost. On the upside, my 10 yo daughter who plays the violin loves it but she will be in the same boat as far as not having the option of orchestra in school. She also plays the flute and is doing equally well on that instrument so the school will be pressuring her to be in band and not travel out of town to do orchestra in another school. That will be a planning nightmare as it is.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 - 08:37 pm:   

Hi Curtis! So many interesting and worthwhile paths that don't necessarily involve a traditional conservatory education. And so many ways to make music a part of your life that don't involve the obvious choices (though nothing wrong with that route either). H. just had a masterclass with the founder of Ethel and while he was messing around with his computer and fx boxes (yup..very very cool musician with very very cool technology) he described his unusual musical path...began with Heifetz (seriously, J.H. must have been extremely old at the time) who asked one day if he knew what the word "avocation" meant...after which he put the violin down for two years (ouch)...only to pick it up and begin a most interesting and unique musical journey....I'm rambling...but, yea, these high school years are sure weird...Haley and her friends have had their ups and downs this first year of high school...for her, so far, it's actually brought her more seriously to her violin studies after I thought it might be heading the other way for a little while..who knows...but now she seems to be increasingly focused on new music and working with actual living composers (she'll get to work with Nico Muhly in May for a performance)....who knows where it will lead....hard to imagine her playing in an orchestra...but who the heck knows...what Laura's considering sounds cool and fun...btw, you might want to check out Swarthmore if you haven't already..i'm told it has a pretty strong music program along with top flight academics...plus it's in PA so you've got the cheese steak action...anyway..best of luck to laura and you, Curtis...ugh..you've got an intense year coming....but also exciting..
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Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 01:17 pm:   

Stringdad. Hi. Great to hear from you.
Laura just auditioned for the Kaufman Center String Fest again. Not sure if she'll be able to do it though if she gets into drivers ed. If she gets bumped for the fall term (which means being at school by 6 am) she'll participate. If she gets into the summer class, she won't be able to to Kaufman. They can't miss drivers ed classes even by one week. How about Haley? Is going to participate this year. It was great hearing her play last summer.
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Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 07:51 pm:   

Yeah, I saw those audition sheets up in the elevator on Sunday. Still not sure if Haley's going to do it yet, either.
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Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 09:42 am:   

Also checking out Skidmore (hate that name. Sounds like Skid row). Also a string program and a partnership with the Carnegie Hall Fellows, a sort of internship for music majors.
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Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 12:49 pm:   

Great school, great location...maybe not so great name. Sounds promising, Curtis.

BTW(cue dad bragging), Haley is scheduled to be on NPR's All Things Considered on Thursday May 27...if you happen to have the radio on that day, you might want to check it out). Not sure how much (if? I guess there's no predicting how these things play out) she'll be featured but she's one of about 4 or 5 kids being taped and interviewed from Face the Music, along with the composer who wrote the piece she's playing at Merkin that night. She did a warmup a week or so ago (sound system wasn't working perfectly so she could't hear her cues or even the accompaniment sometimes, and the temp dropped insansely in the performance space (i was literally shivering & nmiserable the whole evening), but it does approximate how she plays the piece, if you'd care to take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IebhhrjDJM
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Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 05:40 am:   

Still in HS. Is there anything she CAN'T do?
Really amazing. She's going far.
Laura hasn't touched her cello in weeks except for lessons and recitals. Its all piano now.
She made the AllState performance in piano. Missed the cello by 3 points.
Oh well. At least she's still advancing in something. I can't tell her which instrument to play.

I'll try to catch the NPR recording. Post a time if you have one.
Brag away. That's our job.
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Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 01:42 pm:   

Hey, Curtis. Yeah, HS. 9th grade has been a real rollercoaster. High drama. Socically. And also balancing music and academics(balance?) and nursing the vague/vain hope of some other extracurricular activity.... but she has been enjoying her music.

Lots of kids change instruments, or start multi-instrumental and then focus on one predominantly or even exclusively. Piano is a great instrument (my younger daughter's instrument of choice). AND making AllState on piano is awesome (as is coming close on cello, too). Congratulations. Hope the college thing works out well for you guys. I'm sure it will. (I'm not looking forward to the process).
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Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2010 - 05:25 pm:   

Only 9th grade?? She is so statuesque. I though she was a junior.
I have yet to see any HS student in all of these recitals and performances I've been to play as well as Haley. You may have, being involved in such a demanding music school, but I haven't. Good players, just not as good as her.

I'm still waiting for a time to tune in to NPR. I'd really like to catch her performance!

I kind of wonder what the SW administrators think of watching our children grow up musically.
Fell free to comment, folks.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2010 - 07:07 pm:   

That's very nice of you to say, Curtis. Thank you. She did grow up with Stringworks, it's true. In fact, she still has her 3/4 Artist that she still has it.

I'll post a link to the story, Curtis. The taping happened yesterday, but turns out it might air on Morning Edition rather than All Things Considered, so who knows...and who knows how much of it will feature her (3 students were interviewed), but it should be archived on line anyway.

It was fun to watch her work with the composer. Such a hugely talented guy. And funny. He told her she could really "diva out" on one of the notes.

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Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2010 - 07:09 pm:   

Hmmm some random language there...meant delete "that she still has it" above..
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Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 - 02:26 pm:   

Yea. Typos here. Not used to this Mac keyboard.
Well, if we ever upgrade, which at this point might not happen, the MTII will likely stay.
I'm shopping for Steinways and Mason Hamlins. Maybe a bigger house too.
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Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 07:24 pm:   

Hey Curtis and everyone. The performance happened tonight. Everything went great, and Nico was there and spoke. And the NPR story aired nationally, but not locally (fund raising). Here's the link to the story, audio and a transcript (there's all has a link to the older performance of Honest Music), if anyone would like to give it a listen:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127139434
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Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 08:05 pm:   

Good evening Johann...

...and Cellopop and Stringdad. Stringdad, I enjoyed very much listening to your daughter perform. She is very talented and it was wonderful to be able to *see and hear* her for the very first time.

Thanks for sharing with all of us on the forum
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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 03:16 am:   

Good Morning, Johann! Now a good nights' sleep behind me. Yesterday evening was my recital, held at the Bangor Public Library. It went off well. The recital started with a mother/daughter duet on cello (daughter) and violin (mother). They had 6 months experience each on their respective instruments. A snippet from Bach's 5th orchestral suite. I did a duet (2 violas) at the end with a piece by Michel Corrette and a piece by G.G. Mueller. Stage fright was present but not overpowering. SummerKeys in Lubec ME,the last week of July with an orchestral option with the Passamaquoddy Bay Community Orchestra.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 07:32 pm:   

Good Evening Johann...

Hi Andrew, sounds like the recital went well. My teacher doesn't have recitals for her adult students so I have never had the experience. I am hoping to join the local community orchestra this fall but I'm not sure, I didn't get very much time with my instrument the last four months due to my kids' summer schedules.

I start college classes again next week and my oldest went off to college as well. Lots of changes in this house.

My youngest graduated to a 3/4 violin. We went to a local shop this time (Claire Givens) so she could try instruments. We went with the intention of bringing a couple home for trial but she fell in love with one and we purchased it instead. I have to brag...we got a used case for her instrument for $50! The case is like new and is the half-moon shape she so wanted. Great buying experience all around. The staff at Givens were very friendly and helpful. My daughter's teacher went with us to offer her assistance and advice.
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Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 11:54 am:   

G'day, Johann and all, on this fine, lazy, late-summer Sunday afternoon...

You know. Thought I had responded about finally getting to check out the couple videos of H's performances, but yeah, she's great, StringDad, definitetly a real keeper. I'm sure you must be very proud of her. Hope she keeps it up, and maybe one of these days I'll get to see/hear her perform in person.

Andrew, also glad to hear your recital went well. I've still never done one of those yet -- and barely at all, if you count my (hackjob) ringer role at viola in my kids' youth orchestra. Not sure if they will want me back to lend a few notes at viola this year.

TK, go fer it w/ the community orchestra. You know what they say. You can always "fake it until you make it".

And the kids are growing fast, no? Both my older kids are now on full size violins -- and the 3-plus-yo hasn't started just yet. The kids had a pretty good time at their 2-week summer strings camp (for orchestral and chamber music) back in July -- my aloof 12-yo daughter even admitted that it was not bad and would actually consider doing it again next year (after having to pull teeth real hard to get her to go this summer). And this school year, they'll (hopefully) be a bit better prepared for youth orchestra as well although there will be more going on w/ school, etc. as they're both in (different) middle schools now.

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